I had a theory that the +/-100Hz spurious outputs ( +/-120Hz observed in the USA) were caused by ripple modulating the transmitted carrier. I used my general purpose signal generator, otherwise known as the FT-817ND, to transmit a low power carrier (CW key down) into an unscreened dummy load (Elecraft DL-1). I repeated this with the transceiver powered from my bench power supply and then on its internal batteries with the power cable removed. The results in the WSJT-X spectrum display window are shown below.
K3 RX, FT-817 TX on mains supply. |
K3 RX, FT-817 on battery power |
I recalled an issue a few years ago when someone sending CW using their K3 had reports of spurious signals +/- the sidetone frequency. This turned out to be audio modulation of the synthesizer by the sound of the sidetone from the K3 speaker. Elecraft provided a fix in the form of a stiffener for the synthesizer board. My K3 is an old one and does not have this modification. You can see that the synthesizer is affected by physical vibration looking at the trace produced when I rapped on the K3 case.
K3 RX showing the effect of vibration (knock on the case) |
To answer that question I repeated the tests using my Elecraft K2 as a receiver, feeding the headphone output at low level into the cheap USB audio dongle I use for computer sound. You can see the result below.
K2 on RX, FT-817 on mains power. |
K2 RX, FT-817 on battery power |
I'm not sure what to make of all this. It does appear that the 'harmonics' - which are really sidebands - that accompany a strong JT9-1 signal are caused mainly by AC ripple modulating the transmitted carrier, but that hum on the receive side can produce a decodable signal as well. The WSJT-X software is extremely sensitive and can detect these components even if they are 30dB or more below the fundamental carrier.
I would appreciate hearing of other theories or tests carried out to explain this phenomenon. It seems to be that this issue is going to be almost unavoidable when mains-powered equipment is used to generate signals that are decoded by very sensitive software.
Hi Julian,
ReplyDeleteI have this problem and have noticed it on a few other stations. It's due to 50Hz (or 60HZ) induced current on the antenna feeder cable AM modulating the carrier. This happens when the Mains Earth is at a different potential to the Ground connection at the antenna. Current flows along the coax braid and is superimposed on the transmitted signal at a low level. Adding Baluns can actually make this worse as they slightly increase the common mode impedance (and hence the voltage differential) at low frequencies. I haven't fixed mine yet but I'm still working on it.
Hello Julian, very complicated but it explains the same problem I had with JT65a in 2010 see: http://pe4bas.blogspot.nl/2010/02/80m-sked-met-pc4t_04.html
ReplyDeleteI can't explain it, it's far beyond my knowledge of spurious signals especially when it is caused by the mains frequency. I think Martin made a good explanation. 73, Bas
Hi Julian
ReplyDeleteI did some testing yesterday with my FT-817, Wonderwand ant. and labtop as monitoring station.
I tested with two different main rigs on AC power supply and battery. when on battery the 50/100Hz ghost signals are gone.
The problem only shows on my 1/4w GP for 30m not on my OCF dipole and Magloop.
I think what Martin - G8JNJ writes may be the culprit, i will work more on grounding now.
Amazing btw that WSJT-X can decode two adjacent signals with a level difference close to 60 dB.
Thanks for comments and suggestions.
73 OZ1TMK Torben
My results indicate that it is all about the receiver end. I received K1JT here with 100 Hz sidebands, see http://la3za.blogspot.no/2013/04/jt9-and-100-hz-ghosts.html. If the transmitter is to blame his signals should have had 120 Hz sidebands.
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Thanks for the comment. I haven't received anyone from that side of the Atlantic strong enough to see for myself. Now we just have to find a solution for it!
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